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Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls

Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls

byRachel Simmons
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Jan
4.0 out of 5 starsAha!
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on March 11, 2013
A must read for any mother of a daughter or a woman in search of herself -at any age. Provided many 'aha' moments and provided insight on a childhood endured 50 years ago. This book explains girl society and female bullying in a clear-headed, objective style. Not just a by-woman-for-women only read. Adds depth and perception to an overlooked aspect of female behaviour and interaction that has profound effect and echoes throughout a female's Kidd span. Very illuminating and informative and sadly, a one of a kind. This aspect of female behaviour warrants so much more exploration.
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methylethel
3.0 out of 5 starsWorth reading, but. . .
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on April 28, 2003
I liked a lot of what Rachel Simmons had to say in this book. It's a relief to see someone finally treating the dark world of teenage social competition seriously-- recognizing it for the soul-crushing experience it is for many, many girls.
But the book could have been a *lot* shorter. Much of what comes out in her exhaustive (and exhausting) interviews is already perfectly obvious to anybody who's been through the pubescent social wringer once or twice, and after the first couple of chapters it gets *very* repetitive. I also question her tendency to blame girls' underhanded aggression on the clash between the "empowered woman" ideal we actively teach and the ingrained traditional ideal of the compliant, "nice" girl. Somehow I think girls were doing these things long before the idea of female empowerment came into vogue, but Simmons doesn't even try to give it a historical context.
She has excellent advice in the last couple of chapters for parents and girls. I'm not so sure about the suggestions for schools and teachers: she argues so well earlier in the book that teachers are pretty much helpless, and that when they do get involved they are likely to make the situation worse. It's kind of far-fetched to believe that a week of teacher inservice is going to change that.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Aha!
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on March 11, 2013
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A must read for any mother of a daughter or a woman in search of herself -at any age. Provided many 'aha' moments and provided insight on a childhood endured 50 years ago. This book explains girl society and female bullying in a clear-headed, objective style. Not just a by-woman-for-women only read. Adds depth and perception to an overlooked aspect of female behaviour and interaction that has profound effect and echoes throughout a female's Kidd span. Very illuminating and informative and sadly, a one of a kind. This aspect of female behaviour warrants so much more exploration.
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5.0 out of 5 stars An excellent resource for the elementary counselling office
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on January 16, 2017
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An excellent resource for the elementary counselling office! This is a book I keep in my personal library and often recommend to parents .
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Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on January 24, 2015
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This book is a must read for all parents of girls.
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Bookwurm
5.0 out of 5 stars Parents, teachers, youthworkers, artsworkers, READ IT
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on July 9, 2004
You know, I get so sick to death of scientists with their graphs, their figures, their boxes and numbers, because the majority of this research actually has very little real value.
Have you ever seen any of the questions they ask these young people in that research? They have to classify on how many isolated occasions they are bullied during a day, a week, a month and the answers to that are all put in graphs. Bullying is generally classified by types such as physical bullying, exclusion, namecalling and so on.
The problem with this method is that it assumes a whole number of things it should not assume! For a start, a lot of bullying does not happen in single isolated incidents but in an endless stream of small continual pinpricks, the sum of which cause a person unbelievable distress, but when a (young) person tries to explain what is going on they sound petty. "It was just a joke"
What about hate campains, where everything is under the surface, where one person gets bumped into twenty times a day, stepped on, 'actidentally' pushed down the stairs, 'accidentally' hit over the head with a bag several times a day by different people, every single time followed by a 'oops, sorry about that'? What about the systematic putting down of someone through a whole range of little things, but by a (so-called) close friend, something that would not even be classified as bullying by the victim, even though it can be very abusive? How would that fit into any of these neat little boxes?
The problem is that a lot of the bullying is so subtle that the victim is never quite sure whether they are imagining things and when they do stand up for themselves, they often get classed by teachers as a problem kid, rather than as a victim of harrassment by the rest of the group.
Another problem with this research is that it assumes that the
split between bully and victim is very clear cut. I work in the performing arts with young people, specialising in socio economically disadvantaged areas, where bullying is a big issue and I can tell you from experience that this is definately not the case. An entire gruop, including the school administration, the teachers, the parents, they are ALL part of this bullying culture, either by tolerating it or by actively pursuing it. If one kid makes a nasty joke, isn't there a whole class to cheer him or her on? And the cheerers, how many of those cheer because they fear they may be next?
There are many teachers who function by picking on one kid and using and abusing this kid on a continual basis to keep a class quiet. What appears on a graph? Not much bullying going on, is there, just one annoying kid throwing around accusations, not to be taken seriously. None of the other kids back him up, do they? But what is that teacher teaching those kids?
It was about time that a scientist took the effort to go back to square one and look at what is actually going on in schools, to redefine bullying, based on what they see rather than assume and that is exactly what Rachel Simmons did.
So why does she not work with these precious little numbers? Because what she has to say does not fit into little numbers. Because she actually listened to these girls and did not tell them to squeeze their experiences into what she had decided was happening to them.
I think this book is fantastic. I am working on a big project next year, using theatre techniques to combat bullying cultures and have done a lot of research so far. This is the single most useful book I have found. It reads easily, the anekdotes are good, and every step of the way I can hear myself think - yes, I recognise that - but she managed to put it in words and in context.
She defines girl-bullying as different from boy bullying and you can agree with these gender theories or not, what remains is that her book gives incredibly powerfull descriptions of an aspect of bullying that needs to be explored.
Lastly, responding to one of the other reviews: Rachel Simmons is in my opinion not stating that girls should go out and hit people, expressing their agression. What I read is that they, unlike boys, are denied an outlet for their agression by society, which I believe is very true. It is considered unacceptable for a girl to vent agression, as is accaptable for boys. That does not mean it is right for boys to vent their agression through hitting, or that girls should be allowed to, Simmons is just stating the reasons for girls taking their agression underground.
We need to find NEW accaptable ways for young people to vent their agression, ways that do not hurt others.
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ana ramriez
5.0 out of 5 stars Odd Girl Out
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on June 3, 2004
If you've ever been left out or hurt by a close friend, then this is the book to read. Many girls believe they are the only ones who have been put through torture from their close friends, or girls at school; after reading this book, they will realize they are not alone.
This book is one of few that girls will say, "That happened to me!" The way the author Rachel Simmons incorporates interviews, stories, facts, and opinions on how society effects girls' behaviors, keeps the reader interested all through out the book.
This book is not only for women who can relate to the hardships, but also for everyone who wants to learn a little about the way women work.
The author recognizes that every girl has been on each side of passive aggressive disputes. She tells stories about her troubles has a girl growing up and then stories of older women who have grown to learn from their experiences. Not all of the women pick up the same things from their childhood, but most don't realize or regret the way they treated other girls because they think the other one deserved it.
Simmons goes around different schools all over the country to see how people's way of life effect the way they that deal with their problems. Over all most of the girls deal with the problems the same because the same pressures are all over in the United States.
Towards the middle of the book, Simmons decides to write more stories from different girls at different times. Some of the girls are women now and they have sent an e-mail of their story and others are interviewed in person. It was easier for the women to tell their stories because they have learned from them and have gotten over them. But the girls that are in their teens and have recent stories seem to have to tell their stories in secret. Simmons makes it clear that a lot of the girls are uncomfortable at the beginning of the interview because they're not sure if they should be telling the stories. It seems like they're telling on their friends and making them seem like bad people.
It is a strange thing to see these girls wanting to still be friends with the ones that have hurt them, so they try and put it behind them. This issue is brought up in the recent movie "Mean Girls" when one of the girls is being mistreated and neglected by her "best friend", she tries even harder to become friends with the girl who is mistreating her.
One other case of stories and opinions is when Simmons goes to elementary and middle schools and has classes with groups of girls. In her first few sessions, she didn't know how to have the girls open up about the subject because a lot of them were cautious about what they said in front of other girls at their school. But once Simmons broke into their clique world, the girls started to open up and more conversations stared to happen about how girls felt when they were being mistreated and how they feel they are supposed to act.
I myself have had experiences that I wish I could have shared amongst a group of girls, but I never had the chance to have an open discussion at school about it. The only time the subject arose was in my Women's Issues Workshop class. Not only did the class talk about cliques, but also we talked about the pressures outside of girls that make us feel we have to act a certain way. This is also what a big section of the book was about. Once Simmons brings the reader into the inner working of cliques and the way girls handle their situations, she gets into the pressures of society and the two images that women are supposed to live up to.
There is the one image that women are supposed to be passive, delicate, and pure. But then there is the image that we are supposed to be stronger and able to survive in the world of men, opinionated, independent, and aggressive all at the same time. The first image is an older model of a woman, and the second is a modern version, and girls don't know which one to follow. So they try not to show any aggressiveness in public because it isn't acceptable for women to be physically aggressive, so they have to find other ways to let out their aggression.
Over all I really enjoyed reading this book because it helped me understand more about what girls were going through and how I could help other friends if they were going through the same problems.
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lovestoread
4.0 out of 5 stars once again, my experience is defined out of existence
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on April 2, 2002
I picked up this book hoping to understand my experience of being a social reject in grade school. You know, the one that the entire class turned on. The one who sort of had friends for a while, until I didn't have friends anymore. For more than a year, no one in my class would associate with me. I was too "weird". And the reality was, I WAS weird. I went through grade school in a fog, barely responding to the things other children said. My reactions were so "off" that in the end, I think they really couldn't figure out what to do with me.
I found nothing to explain my life here. In fact, it is as though, once again, I do not exist. The author is so intent on proving her thesis about indirect aggression that she portrays all girls as victims. This may be true, but not to the same extent. Few have the experience of being socially cast out for a prolonged period of time. That's why research on the unpopular child exists.
Unfortunately, there is no recognition of the devastating family problems that can lead to social failure, such as alcoholism and nasty divorces. Also, childhood physical and sexual abuse are not discussed at all. I believe the research shows that incest victims, for example, are at high risk of being unpopular because of the damage that incest does to character. I do not see any interviews with young incest victims in this book, though.
This book describes the experience of most people. You know, the popular ones or the ones who were kind of in the middle in their class. The ones whose experience of being ostracized was brief, if it happened at all. I don't want to minimize their pain. In fact, I learned something about why so many people rejected me: because they were terrified that my failure could happen to them, too. This really helped give me some insight.
But this book fails to address the type of girl I was. The one who had an asthma attack in the middle of a museum because no one would talk to me. Everyone knows this type of girl exists. No one, not even the adults, wants to have anything to do with her. It is as if she has leprosy, and people instinctively back away.
As we all got older, I remember some of the other kids trying to help me. They seemed as confused as I was about my problems. Another aspect of unpopularity that I didn't see addressed here.
I also don't remember my childhood (in a school for well-off Catholic children) as being this genteel. Kids traded insults all the time. I am concerned that all this stuff about "white girls don't do conflict" is just another stereotype. There is a lot of truth to it, but I am certain it does not tell the whole story.
There is a lot of value in this book. The author documents some real problems with female relationships. She writes beautifully, and her advice is good. But she appears to ignore the people who are most desperate for help in her rush to reveal the pain of everyone. If everyone has a story, no one is in special need, and those of us who were most frightened are abandoned once again.
There are some heartbreaking stories of social rejection in this book, and I really felt bad for these girls. But this illustrates the book's flaws, in my opinion. The author talks about the pain of Erin, a popular girl who was turned on because "she's all that". I felt horrible for Erin. But what about those of us who were the anti-Erin? We are not heard from here.
In my opinion, the author defined her population poorly. She called this book "Odd Girl Out" not "the perils of female anger" or something like that. If you call a book "odd girl out," and you promise to discuss unpopularity, you have an obligation to address those of us who were the real losers. If the author was unwilling to do that, she should have called this book something else, and not made these promises, which she did not keep in my opinion. Also, anecdotal interviews, even with 300 girls, are not grounds for totally dismissing the research on unpopularity (what little of it that exists anyway).
With all of this criticism, I am still giving the book 4 stars, for the author's courage in discussing this still-taboo subject. And her writing ability, which is extraordinary. But I want to warn all readers that those children who are most desperate for help (and those who care about them) should look elsewhere for assistance. You will not find much help here, in my opinion.
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Zz
5.0 out of 5 stars A Treasure With Priceless Worth
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on November 11, 2002
I finished reading the book Odd Girl Out by Rachel Simmons a few months ago. I would read it for long periods of time, then leave it sitting on my nightstand again, until I got up my courage to read some more of it. I relate so much to the stories in it, it was painful to read it at times, yet I had to. It was too intriguing to leave alone. The girls Rachel spoke to really told her about how girls get along with each other. How there are underground ways we express our feelings and expect others to catch on to what we mean. How some girls try so hard to get into the "popular" circle. Or how some girls use their friends to gang up on a girl that they don't like.
I myself have been ganged up on by other girls. I did not convert to their behavior, and I did not let myself give them many opportunities to mess with me, but it still happened in ways I could not help. Eventually, I got to the place where I could ignore them. But it still hurt. After a while I found that one of my previous thoughts was not true; I was not the only one. I noticed this in school, but reading Odd Girl Out made me realize it and put the situation into perspective. Before I read the book, I had learned to live with being harassed and still get though the school day all right, but what I really wanted was to understand why... why did the others did this, why to me, why to anyone? When I was reading Odd Girl Out, I saw all my feelings about being harassed by other girls on the paper in stories similar to mine. I noticed patterns in behavior in the stories, and patterns in responses from different girls, and other things.
This book made it make sense to me, the that way girls treat other girls sometimes. Odd Girl Out is kinda like that birthday present that seems like it isn't much, but then you open it and see it's much more, a real gift. It also changed my harsh feelings for the other girls...since I got to see what might be their point of view, in my own way I forgave them for all the things they did and said. It felt like a huge burden was lifted off me, because I hate feeling badly towards other people. Though I do not tease people, I want to feel good about people in my thoughts. This book made that possible for me; it gave me the answers, and some ways I can prevent things from happening.
Now, if anyone ever gangs up on me again, I'll feel better about myself though the experience, and I'll be able to figure out part of the reason, (which is always part of the solution) so I'll be able to do what I come to school for; to learn and to focus on learning...not "Hmmm, how I should avoid getting harassed today?". Odd Girl Out is like getting a small education in protecting yourself from a hive of bees that will sneak up on you to sting you, and make you understand why they want to sting you. I thank Rachel Simmons for that. She really put together a wonderful book, 5 out of 5 stars.
This is one of my favorite books, and I think any girl who has ever been socially abused, teased, betrayed or abandoned by a friend should read it. The stories in it are like valuable treasures that show you your worth in the face of bullies, and the bully's worth as well. And I believe that in most cases seeing every person's worth (despite a less than perfect friendship with them) is one of the most important things in life.
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Patricia B. Ross
5.0 out of 5 stars Girls in Love Don't Do Malicious Things
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on May 15, 2004
Girls getting sex aren't doing mean things.
Girls in love don't think of malicious things; instead they are dreaming.........
These simple rules are rarely recognized, and not often followed in the annals of space history, on earth or otherwise, however. From the history of early England we know that women deprived are among the most ruthless of women, and independence only serves to encourage those ruthless tendencies. Women are made to be "attached" not always and not necessarily at the hip, but still attached. Those that aren't often end up like Carrie in the horror film of that name, much to the delight of those who contrive to place her there. For women, romance and sex generally go hand in hand. If they don't, it is not by choice but always a compromise, and most turn the guilt and anger in on themselves, and those around them, to assuage their passion. The complexity of women is astonishing to most men who, understandably, avoid the attempt to try because they are so different. Many middle aged women turn to political dynamics because they are not receiving the attention of earlier years where romance serves to keep alive the passions of sexuality. Men have long observed that phenomenon in women but they tend to forget. History is dotted with women, not who used their sexual interest to alter the dynamics of history, but who used their sexual deprivation and resulting hostility to alter it. Intelligent men don't play with the emotions of women unless they are certain the nature of their sexuality or social constraints are sufficient not to intervene to complicate their public affairs, and turn what could be good experiences into bad ones, no matter the intent. Sexual deprivation, chosen by women or not, may be one of the most dangerous psychological components of female chemistry since their nature is attuned to it as a natural device for making the connections they form. It is not a byproduct of the process as it may be for men. As an essential, blocking sexual pathways is much like uncaging a wild animal likely to go on rampage with the "traditional madness" females have long had the reputation of having recognized by this provocation. Their anger is always deep seated and unpredictable since it is the rage within that is being contained without the benefit of an outlet. Many such women turn to artificial means of control in this instance - most of which appear to be addictions characteristic of men who throw themselves into work to ward off the effects of grief. The circumstances of grief in women that accompanies her loss of sexual access depends upon her understanding of the necessity of its consequence, the loss of a spouse, inability to locate a partner, divorce, separation, or her own perception of the need for denial. All of these have consequences for her, and for those around her, possibly varying with age and her ability for self control. A women is often the living history of her sexual equilibrium, and uses the outlets available to express her emotional state. If she is aggressive, the existence of hostility is likely; if not, she may be in pre- or post-aggressive mode, or she may have successfully reconciled the dissonance. Although women may express their hostilities differently than men, and often more subdued than men, they are equally expressive in how those emotions register and play out in their lives which can often be more deceptive in women than in men. Neither can be said to be reliably successful or predictable in their management of these complex effects on their sexual natures. This may be why society is much more comfortable with what appear to be committed, productive, and sexually compatible relationships to reduce the possibility of conflict-ridden incidents that can disrupt society.
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melisa viney
4.0 out of 5 stars groundbreaking and important
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on May 27, 2003
Aggression has always been assumed to be a problem only in male circles of friends, where disagreements are often visibly and violently resolved, both at home and in school. Females of all ages are held to certain expectations of niceness, calmness, and friendliness with one another. Within our schools throughout the past, and certainly now, that assumed niceness among girls is not as common as many parents, teachers, and researchers would hope to find. Although it often manifests itself in different forms, the level of aggression, as Rachel Simmons details in her book, Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls, is much higher than any of us may have imagined. This book offers "a glimpse of the back alleys and hidden corners of girl bullying, to begin the process of naming and understanding it. The difference in comparison to male patterns, as Simmons explains, is that female patterns of aggression s are usually much more discrete, much harder for those uninvolved to see, or to detect. This hidden aggression has developed as a result of the cultural expectations of girls in our society. Young females are often forced to put forth two personalities; the nice, non-aggressive personality which is used in the presence of adults. The harsh, mean, back-stabbing personality used to express their anger is used in relation to peers, in order to gain control and popularity.

Within circles of female friends in most school environments, as Simmons excellently exposes in her research, there is a constant battle for friendship, popularity, and belonging with the certain cliques, or groups. The constant struggle to belong forces young girls to rely on methods of teasing, rumor-spreading, alliance building, and secret-sharing, in effort to win the friendship of those students who are most popular. Through speaking to hundreds of young girls, currently involved in the harmful workings of female aggression, along with adults who were subject to the harmful effects of female aggression as young girls, Simmons was able to uncover the harmful ways in which girls use friendship as a weapon to gain control and inflict pain towards those with whom they are angry. The immense fear of being alone, or having no friends, is felt so strongly by young girls that they will often subject themselves to unhealthy friendships with aggressive peers rather than be alone.

The important question, we as parents and educators, must address is how to reform society as to allow girls a healthy outlet for their aggression. The discrete, non-aggressive personal attacks they are waging against one another daily in our schools is often more damaging than we have been willing to admit in the past. Simmons points out that we must allow our girls to express their anger and discontent with situations and with one another freely and outwardly. As we hear personal stories of how aggressive female bullies affected the lives of the many girls who offer their voices to this piece, we begin to understand the struggle between 'nice' and 'strong' that our society forces girls to deal with. Many channels for the expression of anger are eliminated within this struggle for young girls. "We are telling our girls to be bold and timid, voracious and slight, sexual and demure. We are telling them to hurry up and wait. But, as in the game of Twister, these girls eventually end up in impossible positions and collapse" (115). Any attempt at assertiveness, at standing up for oneself, as Simmons explains in Chapter 7, is viewed through the lens of traditional female roles as 'mean' or 'bitchy.'

The refusal of parents to address issued inherently embedded both the personalities of bullies and victims is discussed eloquently by Simmons near the end of the book, where she discusses the refusal of parents to admit that their children are not perfect. Whether it is their daughter who is being victimized, or who is doing the victimization, parents 'fear that others will judge their mothering abilities based on their children's behaviors or problems. This refusal to openly discuss the feelings associated with being bullied, forces young girls to bottle-up their emotions, and continue to put on the face of happiness and content.

This book tells the stories of many who have felt the pain of female aggression in many instances, and offers excellent suggestions on how parents, teachers, and girls themselves should deal with the aggressive, hurtful acts of other girls in their lives. Simmons certainly could have spent more time discussing ways in which we, as educators and adults, could lead society toward developing different expectations of female behavior, allowing girls a voice to express their feelings and anger, and releasing our young girls from the pressures of 'niceness' that have forever guided their actions. I also believe that her excellent work could have been raised to the next level is she could have spent more time researching and discussing the differences in aggressive patterns within schools not situated in middle class settings, where she spent a majority of her time.

Overall, I certainly recommend this book to many parents of female students, and to all teachers within the K-12 environment. An eye-opening look into what we have all seen or experienced in some form, ODD GIRL OUT: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls, begins the dialogue about alternative aggression, and provides and excellent platform for initiating the movement toward change.
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LindaT
5.0 out of 5 stars Brought back memories and made me face myself
Reviewed in Canada 🇨🇦 on January 12, 2004
This book is easy to read, but emotionally, it's a roller coaster. Over all, I'm glad I read it.
It deals with the often sugar-coated agression of girls against each other. It deals with the use of friendship as a weapon, silent treatment and rejection as nonviolent torture devices. The author deals with girls, but does make a point of saying that (a) boys sometimes do it and (b) not all girls behave this way.
I identified with a great deal of it. I was ridiculed by the "in crowd" in junior high school and was too clueless and innocent to realize it. After a while I found out, to my humiliation. And although it took a while for the embarassment to go away I eventually got on with my life and even joined a club in high school that eventually helped me get into the college I went to and the pain was over -- or so I thought.
Wrong. The memory lingered on. And although I considered my life to be productive and useful I still cringed every time I remembered those days. In fact, at times I still do.
Reading this book did me a lot of good, and I think it can benefit almost any woman (or man) who reads it. These are just some of the reasons I liked the book:
1. It showed me that I was not alone and that others have gone through this, too. And while I wouldn't wish the experience on anyone, it was a comfort to know that others have felt the same way I have and that I am not the "only one."
2. It showed me that it wasn't always "my fault" when these things happened. True, a lot of times girls make it plain through body language and nonverbal clues that they "want" to be friends, and this makes them a target for nasty behavior. However, that is still no excuse to mistreat someone.
3. It showed me that it is ALL RIGHT to be hurt by a nasty remark covered over with the "goo" of "I was just kidding." This is especially nasty to do to sensitive people; it makes the victim feel like it was "her fault" that she feels the way she does.
4. It also shows how easy it is for the "oppressed to become the oppressor" and later on inflict this on other girls.
5. The author does show steps that can be taken to cope with the "alternative aggression" among girls, appealing to parents and teachers alike. She also shows girls how they can take proactive control of their lives and see relationships as an option and not a mandate. One of the greatest personal discoveries I made was that my best relationships are often a result of getting involved in something I enjoy doing rather than pursuing them for their own sake.
I think this book is worthwhile reading for both women and men alike. I would not be surprised if men might identify with it more than they might think. I have a private conviction that boys' and men's relationships with each other is "just like it only different." Reading A SEPARATE PEACE and THE LORDS OF DISCIPLINE show that their relationships are not easy, either -- but then, that would entail doing separate reviews.
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